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Home | discussion | What Makes A Heroine “Kick-Ass” ? — Some Really Complicated Saturday Thoughts

What Makes A Heroine “Kick-Ass” ? — Some Really Complicated Saturday Thoughts

October 27, 2012 - Updated October 27, 2012 // 13 Comments

I was writing up my list for next weeks Top Ten Tuesday which we are to list our favorite kickass heroines and I started to have a little bit of a bookish existential crisis by the time I finished. I mean, I came up with the topic for TTT and all but I guess I didn’t realize how incredibly hard it would be for me once I started pen to paper…err fingers to keyboard (but that doesn’t sounds as cool).

I think initially when you think of kickass heroines you tend to think of the literal variety– the ones from fantasy and paranormal novels that go to battle, give an ass kicking to some baddie, is cunning and courageous. We see a lot of those types in movies and tvs. They compete with the boys in terms of being able to render an ass kicking or taking baddies down; they would die fighting for what they feel is right. Most of the time they fight for what’s right whether it be because of ideals or morals or out of love for family, friend or lover. I don’t read a ton of those types of novels (though I’ve been working on it this past year or two!) but I did come up with a few for my post.

But then I kept thinking about really amazing characters that maybe physically weren’t “kick-ass” in terms of maybe they didn’t go head to head with a baddie, fight off 16 strong men or save someone they loved but the ones who had such strength or courage in the way they lived their lives. What about the characters who fought against a disease and every day was a battle? What about the characters who knew who they were and went against the norms and were ostracized for it? What about the characters who experienced a devastating loss and despite the weighty pain of every day or every memory moved forward with great strength? What about the characters who experienced a rape and fought every day to heal and use their strength not to let being a rape victim define who they were and speak out?  I think they are every bit as kick ass!

And then I thought about my musing in the early days of my blog about classic vs. modern heroines.

I think that the classic heroine and the modern heroine are different in some respect. I think the classic heroine wasn’t always facing some big evil entity but sometimes it could have been some weakness, like hubris, that they overcame or societal struggles. This isn’t saying that they didn’t face danger but I feel like this model is seen frequently in modern novels–in fantasy in particular. I think that Elizabeth (Pride & Prejudice) and Jo March are different types of characters than Katniss or Lisbeth Sanders but I think that they all display the same sort of characteristics–self sacrifice, intelligence, confidence, a will of their own, the desire for what is right, honor, etc. I think the modern heroine evolved from the classic heroine and may have the same basic characteristics but I do find them to be different.

Needless to say, I’m having a hard time putting in my mind what I deem to be a “kick-ass heroine”. I know they have a lot of the qualities and elements that I discussed above — despite their flaws. I don’t think they to have all of those qualities and characteristics but they have one or two of them and they show themselves in different ways. I think the thing that is really hard for me is sometimes when I’ll think that a character is a great heroine and I’ll read other people talk about how absolutely weak they are. It’s hard for me to reconcile sometimes. Maybe we have differing opinions of weakness and strength or how much of that a character’s weakness makes them actually weak or is something they can overcome.  I don’t know.

So this post doesn’t really accomplish anything. I just felt so confused and needed to ramble and ask what all you wise readers thinks! So tell me, what do you think makes a kick-ass heroine? Any examples? Any other thoughts on the heroine front in general?  Let me know what you think! I’m dying to have some sort of discussion to further think about this topic!

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  1. Annette says

    October 27, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Lots to think about there. I think “heroine” in itself is a nebulous term. But, like any question we try to answer on our blog, its your opinion, and I think all of the types of heroines you mentioned would qualify. Looking forward to Tuesday…

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  2. elena says

    October 27, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    This is such an interesting topic & I love it! I totally agree about what you mean when people first think a ‘kick ass’ heroine means outwardly kicking ass but it’s so much more than that. I think it goes with the HBIC thing and its problematic uses, you don’t have to be physically strong to be a strong character. In fantasy and dystopian YA, it’s the characters who are active that gets the recognition for being kick ass like Katsa from Graceling Realms or Katniss. I think my favourite heroines are the ones who are quietly strong and brave. Even though Hermione Granger may never actually cut someone down, she’s still pretty great and strong too. So I guess what I mean is that for me, a character doesn’t have to actually kick ass to be a kick ass character. What I look most for is heart in the character and that’s what makes them kick ass to me.

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  3. Jo says

    October 27, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    This is a great topic! I was thinking the same things as I planned my own TTT post. For me, kick-ass isn’t just about saving the world or being able to take out 15 guys in 15 seconds, it’s about being a “strong” character and being true to yourself (cheesy but there you go). I’m putting Hermione at number one because I think she does this, and a lot of my top ten are from contemporaries. And I’m not sure if this comment helps the discussion at all, as its fairly abstract and it’s all ultimately subjective, but in my mind “kick-ass” doesn’t just mean a heroine who’s good in a physical fight. Strength is more than that.

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  4. Jennifer @ A Librarian's Library says

    October 27, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    I was having a similar conversation with myself when I was brainstorming for my TTT post the other day. And I found myself wanting to include those women who subtly change their world as well as those who obviously change their world. I think that ‘Kick-ass” really means those heroines who stick out to you, but who don’t necessarily literally “kick ass” in the story. And even though there are a lot of strong and powerful heroines being written lately, I still wouldn’t neglect those that make a different kind of impact on you. They are just as “kick-ass” in their own way, even if it’s not in physical strength. So do not worry, you are not the only one who has been thinking about these things this week! =)

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  5. Shannon says

    October 27, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    How funny…I was just writing up my list earlier this evening and thinking the same thing. I’m so excited to see how people interpret it! Lots of the TTT’s are pretty straightforward. It’s nice that we have this one that is so deceptive and allows for so much space!

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  6. Cassie B. says

    October 28, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Great post! “Kick-ass” does tend to make us think of girls who sleep with katanas under their mattresses, but some of the best heroines aren’t even doing anything traditionally heroic. I read Make Lemonade by Virginia Euwer Wolff not too long ago (and reviewed it) and I think the protagonist of that book is pretty darn heroic. She’s having a hard time keeping her own head above water, but she still tries to help others.

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  7. Quinn @ Quinn's Book Nook says

    October 29, 2012 at 10:39 am

    What a great discussion post. I just put together my TTT post, and although I included heroines that more literally kick the butts of baddies, I also included Elizabeth Bennet, and some other heroines who do not kick baddies’ butts. I mean Elizabeth Bennet had to stand up to her mother (who wanted her to marry dim-witted Mr. Collins), Mr. Darcy when he was being snobbish, Lady Catherine De bourgh when she was being ridiculous. And all why trying to be a polite young lady that women were supposed to be in those days. I think she is totally kick ass.

    I think kick-ass heroines don’t have to be tough and out fighting the bad guy.

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  8. SaraO@TheLibrarianReads says

    October 30, 2012 at 11:33 am

    I was having this same thought process during my own picking. I was thinking about all the “different” kick butt heroines. I was also thinking that very few of the books I choose to read didn’t contain a female character that could fit on the list. I even had a brief moment where I thought…I’ll pick only women who are different – not warriors or physically strong gals…then I got lazy! I ended up just scanning my goodreads list. And picking the top few that came to mind.

    I just think that why would we be reading a story about a woman if she isn’t strong – or if she didn’t gain strength? Really a case can be made for most heroines that in the end they find something strong within themselves. Even Bella has her own special talent that saves the day…and she’s one of the weakest, man-depending girls ever for most of the series (though I loved that series *No Shame*)

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  9. Alexa @ Alexa Loves Books says

    October 31, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    I was actually thinking about this as well because of TTT. Of course, my initial response was to include my favorite paranormal/dystopian/fantasy heroines, all of whom are physically and mentally and emotionally kick-ass. But then I started to think about some of my favorite contemporary heroines, those who have faced bullying, injustice, prejudice or any form of oppression and TRIUMPHED, and concluded they were kick-ass too. I realized that I was falling into the pit of classifying kick-ass as ONLY the girls who were physically capable of doing just that… And that this was surprisingly disturbing concept to me.

    Obviously, I didn’t answer your question… or did I? I guess, to me, I should be more reflective when it comes to thinking about who I’d pick as a kick-ass heroine.

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“Why is it so hard to pick my next read?” — “Why is it so hard to pick my next read?” — she says as she is surrounded by piles on piles of books on the floor and desk and packed on her bookshelf and book cart. (Partner @berkleypub - thanks for the review copy).⁣
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I managed to pick my next read, as chronicled in these photos, but it was not easy with so many options! 

Decided to go with a most anticipated book of 2022 for me from an author who has written books I’ve really enjoyed.
⁣
I am about halfway through and cruising along because I NEED to figure out if Joseph is the worst or what really is going on here in this story that starts with 3 women being stood up by the same guy on Valentine’s Day.  I feel like there is something more to this one but I can’t quite put my finger on it yet! ⁣
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Hoping to finish it this weekend! What are you reading this weekend? And do you have trouble picking your next read? How do you choose amongst all the options?
Sunshine on my face and a mass market fitting perf Sunshine on my face and a mass market fitting perfectly in my hands.⁣…
⁣
Truly felt like there were zero things more joyful than the warm sun on my face after colder, dreary days and remembering how much I love the feel of reading a mass market paperback. It’s probably a very specific little joy of mine and I definitely reveled in it today.⁣
⁣
But the real big joy has been rereading this book and experiencing it all over again before @bridgertonnetflix season 2 — especially the Pall Mall scene. And something to do with a 🐝 😅 iykyk⁣
⁣
With all the joy I’m getting out of this reread it makes me wonder why I don’t prioritize rereading like I used to before I started blogging 10 years ago.⁣
⁣
In my head I just want to experience all the new stories and try to make a dent in my TBR but I forget, until I do it, the genuine pleasure in revisiting old companions and how it’s a different side of reading one can experience — the nostalgia, the person I’ve become since reading the book and the way I approach a book already knowing what happens. Well the general sense of what happens because my memory is 💩!⁣
⁣
Anyways that’s what I’m up to currently. Trying to finish this up so I can pack my books for a short trip I’m going on later this week. My first ✈️ since 2019!⁣
⁣
Whatcha reading? Do you reread often? And tell me a little teeny tiny joy from your day.
If I was a person who made Reels I would somehow m If I was a person who made Reels I would somehow mash up the “screaming, crying”  Blank Space clip with the “emotional damage” refrain to the Bastille’s Pompeii to let you know how I feel after the last few chapters of #TheGildedCage !!⁣
⁣
And if you don’t understand what that means, I’m sorry 😅⁣
⁣
But woo boy do I need the third installment of this series!!! But I also think I’m going to be even more emotional damaged after that one soooo.⁣ 
⁣
Seriously, one of the best simple joys of my life is the feeling of being so wholly and totally invested in a series that you have to remind yourself it’s fiction lest you spend all day in bed crying about the devastated look a character had on their face — a face you didn’t even see with your own two eyes but you are so invested that you feel nauseous and gutted like you sure did.⁣
⁣
Just me orrrrrr?⁣
⁣
No but for real. If you love YA fantasy, go start #theprisonhealer so you can be caught up when The Blood Traitor comes out in June (and be my emotional support person for the duration of reading it). I love these characters and I dying to see what happens next. 

Have you read this series yet? Last book series that had you SCREAMING CRYING THROWING UP because of the EMOTIONAL DAMAGE it inflicted?
A real life reading photo because I couldn’t be A real life reading photo because I couldn’t be bothered to make it pretty — mismatching fuzzy sucks, coffee almost gone and Christmas pajama pants that are super old.⁣
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But y’all Black Cake is so good!! I’m almost halfway through and I know it’s A Choice to declare it one of the best books I’ve read all year but I’m feeling bold based on how it’s going.⁣
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I love a good family story (especially one with a family secret!) and this is top notch. The writing is 👌🏻 and I know I’m going to be screaming when the pieces come together!⁣
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In other news, I’m 65% of the way through The Dry by Jane Harper and I’m enjoying it so much that I ended up staying on the treadmill twice this weekend after my allotted time was over just so I could keep listening.⁣
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Will and I FINALLY started Ted Lasso this weekend. It is a damn delight!! For all the hype and praise, it has overdelivered for me which is kind of shocking because normally hype is scary. I told Will that I feel like all the praise hasn’t even come close to how much I could love it. We are only 7 episodes in so no spoilers!⁣
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I’m kinda mad we sat on starting it for so long but at the same time I think the timing is right to help me see my way out of this February funk I have found myself in the past couple weeks.⁣
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Anyways, hope everyone is having a good weekend! Have you read Black Cake or The Dry? Where are my Ted Lasso fans at? I’m happy to join your ranks! Also please tell me your fave character bc I am finding it impossible to pick this far!
No but seriously every year I contemplate organizi No but seriously every year I contemplate organizing a search party for one Katjay Millay who wrote one beautiful and amazing book and then...vanished.

Like for real. She wrote a tweet in 2015 that she was taking a few weeks off and then.... no tweets, no new books. Radio silence.

I hope she’s okay, for real, and that she knows I obsessively stalk Goodreads/Twitter/the internet to make sure I haven’t missed new book news from her at least twice a year. 🥺

Is there any author who you’ve been waiting forever for a new release from??

I’d also like to add YA author Sarah Ockler to this list! Last release was 2015 😭😭
Ahhh some of my absolute OG young adult faves are Ahhh some of my absolute OG young adult faves are becoming movies/tv shows soon! And one of them is out TODAY!⁣
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The Sky is Everywhere — it’s out today on AppleTV+ and I can’t wait to sob my brains out. One of my absolute most favorite books ever by one of my all time favorite authors. It’s gorgeous and heartbreaking in its poignant depiction of grief, first love and healing — all woven together in Jandy’s signature gorgeous, lyrical writing.⁣
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Along For The Ride (out April 22) — one of a handful upcoming @sdessen books being adapted in the near future and I can’t wait! These books are so near and dear to my heart.⁣
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No release dates yet for The Summer I Turned Pretty tv series (the ultimate coming of age summertime story!) or The Statistical Probability of Love at First Sight (the cutest meet cute of all meet cutes all set in 24 hours) but I am HYPED and have all my fingers crossed for 2022 🤞🤞

Have you read any of these? Anyone else hyped for these adaptations.

Also, for the past few years, I’ve kept a running list of books becoming movies/tv shows for the year. Head to my bio to check out the list! I try to update it weekly and keep on top of it all but life ya know 😆 but I try!
Is this a book club? I think we just started a boo Is this a book club? I think we just started a book club. Or maybe just a @jenniferesmith appreciation club?? (partner @randomhouse )⁣
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Either way, after loving Jennifer E. Smith's YA books for years, it's been a real treat to also read her debut picture book with Riley (we loved!!) as well as her adult debut out in 3 weeks!⁣
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⁣So let me tell you about that adult debut — The Unsinkable Great James!!

This one just was the perfect warm-hearted read for a cold and gloomy January.

A perfect setting to escape into (Alaska), a tender-hearted meet cute and a poignant look at the shared grieving experience of those left behind.

I was initially drawn, like I always am, to the daughter losing a mother storyline and an exploration of that grief but I was so taken by the father/daughter relationship between two people who were left untethered by losing the person who held their family together.

Greta and her father don't see eye-to-eye on basically anything when they are thrown together on this Alaskan cruise, a trip Greta's father and mother were supposed to take, and you can feel the tension of their long-standing tumultuous and fractured relationship -- a relationship that feels like its hanging in a balance and could not recover.

The two are both hurting so much from this loss  and it took my breath away at times in how true it rang to be in your own grief bubble and feeling like the loss is yours and yours alone while forgetting about the others shouldering their own piece of this loss. I loved watching them very slowly SEE one another.

I can't say enough good things about this one -- great setting, Greta's music, the meet-cute, the messy and imperfect nature of family and love. Definitely recommend!⁣

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